Q: What’s the investment philosophy of your fund?
A: The purpose of the portfolio is to provide an all-weather equity investment vehicle. The idea is to have a broad portfolio, which provides exposure to the stock market with a longterm perspective, such as retirement. As a result, the fund tends to be less volatile than the average mutual fund. We want it to be a sustainable and reasonable way for equity allocation, even in bear markets.
That idea probably isn’t unique but as the 90’s evolved, I saw more and more people trying to make decisions whether they should be in growth or value, in large or small cap, in which geographic region, or in which sector. So the fund is managed with no restrictions regarding capitalization or style, and although it is value focused, it includes many stocks that are considered growth stocks.
We’ll look anywhere to find value, including high-yield bonds, although we’d only invest in them in periods when we get equity-like returns. But the important thing is to have the flexibility to invest anywhere. We also have a couple of public venture capital companies and several large-cap international stocks.
Generally, we are classified as a blend fund because we invest in both growth and value to support our main purpose. We have higher P/E stocks of companies that we consider superior and good value. Actually, we use a value approach for the growth stocks except that these companies should have sufficiently predictable growth patterns. So the discipline is value but in my view ‘value’ is an all-encompassing term as it can take many forms and is arbitrary.
I’ve always been a value investor focused as a businessperson and I’ve spent 30 years managing money for high net worth clients. For me the most valuable skill of an investor is looking at companies as businesses. If I had unlimited resources, I wouldn’t mind buying the entire company.
Q: What’s the idea behind the fund’s name and why do you prefer this blend approach?
A: In 2000 we took over an existing fund, which didn’t have a good track record. The fund was called Marathon Value Fund and we renamed it to Marathon Value Portfolio. The name change reflected the idea that the fund should be viewed as someone’s portfolio as opposed to just a mutual fund.
I believe that it is very difficult for the average investor to decide where to put his or her money, unless it is an overall equity fund. That’s why we use this blend approach and we decide where the best overall values are in the equity market. If a particular investment style is out of favor, our returns won’t suffer with that approach.
It is a portfolio of all-weather stocks. At the moment we have taxable investors and our turnover is quite low, 18% last year, as we’re trying to minimize capital gains. But if the make-up of the fund changes to include predominately taxexempt plans, we’ll change that focus.
Q: Could you describe your investment strategy? What stocks and sectors do you look at?
A: The investment process starts with deciding where there might be value. While we are not adverse to using screens, our decision making is not a mechanical screening process. I believe that investing really has an element of intuition and you must be able to identify the sectors or the particular companies that are out of favor. My experience definitely helps here as I have a large bank of knowledge about many public companies.
After defining where we think value might be, the second step is to understand the reason for the undervaluation, if it is an industry or a company-specific problem. The next step is research, which is more intensive for the companies that we’re not currently holding.
Finally, we ask ourselves if we fundamentally disagree with the market valuation, if we think that there’s value in the company, what the discount to the true value is, and how our view differs from the consensus. Once we have done the study of the company and I can be confident that we are right and consensus is wrong, we’ll go ahead and invest in it.
So, the process is a constant search of areas of undervaluation. Clearly, a big discount is important, but it is not the only factor. We may buy a fine company that’s just a little bit out of favor and is available only at a modest discount. We might take advantage and that’s how we bought some of the high-quality names in the portfolio.
Q: What are the most important elements of your research process?
A: It is not a mechanical process but is based on making an overall business judgment. The research process relies entirely on internal resources and we’re not interested in what the Street is saying. We have staff of three other people who are very experienced and what we do is trying to understand the company and making a sound business judgment.
A particular aspect is the understanding of the management. One of the surprising things about corporate America is that there are managements who don’t truly understand how to make money in their business, meaning how to make money above their cost of capital. For some reason many companies just pursue gross sales or an average profit. So we have a focus on how the management understands its business and the importance of allocation. That decision requires a historical point of view, so we go back over the company’s history to see how it has performed over time.
It is primarily a bottom-up process, but we also take into account the sustainability of the company’s place in its industry. We like to have a general understanding of the industry, to know the competitors, and to see if the company has a competitive advantage. We’re not just strictly focused on the company but on how it distinguishes itself from other players. It’s a long-term approach that doesn’t aim to decide if the company will have a couple of good quarters, but aims to understand whether the company’s core profitability will continue over a number of years.
Q: It is a hard question to answer unless you have a much broader view. Could you give us a couple of stock picking examples to illustrate that? |