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Mutual Fund Q&A: 
Focus and Discipline in the Value World
Author: Ticker Magazine
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Last Update: 7:35 AM EST January 10 2007


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David R, Carr Jr.
  “We’ve learned that great businesses seldom get the valuations they deserve, but at the same time, they can become attractively priced because of the short-term nature of many of the participants in today’s marketplace. ”
 
Larry D. Coats, Jr.
Oak Value Fund

Every investor tries to buy great businesses at attractive prices, but very few of them have a clearly defined way to do this. Larry Coats, and David Carr co-managers of Oak Value Fund, believe in valuing equities as businesses and in building a thorough understanding of the key drivers of each company in the portfolio. Restricted only by the firm’s investment principles and discipline, the Fund’s managers may invest even at unusual value places like technology.

 
Q:  How would you describe your investment philosophy?

A: We’re value investors and for us investing means buying businesses. Our philosophy is guided by the four principles of Benjamin Graham, the father of value investing, and as a team we share these principles as the core of our operations.

The first principle is that for long-term investors the asset choice is equity. The second principle is that equities should be viewed as businesses and when valuing them, managers should apply the same process and analysis as if buying the business down the street. The basic idea is that if you can’t understand the business, you can’t value it. And if you can’t value it, you shouldn’t own it.

The third principle is to always require a margin of safety, which means to buy businesses at a discount to their intrinsic value based on the future cash flows. The fourth principle is to maintain the appropriate perspective of the market and to recognize the market as a vehicle that facilitates what we may wish to do, not as something that requires us to take any action.

I can also say that our culture is a key factor as well. We have a team of like-minded people focused on facilitating that which allows us to be the most productive and centered on making good investment decisions. Our investment committee and research group work side by side; we all bring to the table everyday a strong philosophical discipline, layered with intellectual curiosity and independent thinking.

Q:  What type of companies do you look for?

A: Our philosophy has three primary components – business, management, and valuation. We’re looking for good businesses that have the ability to produce predictable, growing, excess cash flows. The key point in that definition is predictability, because history has shown that a company’s ability to control its future is largely determined by its positioning relative to its customers, suppliers, competitors, and substitute products. The predictability is defined by the underlying economics of the business and its ability to perpetuate those economics into the future in an attractive manner.

Another important element is good management that is shareholder-oriented, has demonstrated an ability to run the business and to reinvest the excess cash flows into higher returning investments. The ideal businesses produce high returns on capital and do not require a lot of capital back for the core operations, and, therefore, provide the management with the ability to reinvest that excess capital for future growth.

In terms of valuation, we’re essentially trying to buy an asset worth a dollar in our estimate for 65 cents. We run discounted cash flow models and we focus on total value. We’ve learned that great businesses seldom get the valuations they deserve, but at the same time, they can become attractively priced because of the short-term nature of many of the participants in today’s marketplace.

Q:  How do you translate that philosophy into an investment process?

A: We get paid for making decisions on behalf of Fund shareholders, so we have to be able to exercise good judgment and to bring particular experience and insight. The research process is very important as it helps you to build an understanding of the business, the factors that influence its economics, and its ability to perpetuate those economics into the future.

We evaluate the businesses based on a fiveyear discounted cash flow model and the challenge is having enough confidence in the inputs into the equation. So our objective is to identify the factors relevant to the company’s ability to perpetuate its competitive position and the related economics.

We have a fundamentally-driven bottom-up research process in which we don’t seek knowledge for knowledge’s sake, but we focus on the understanding of the factors that can influence a company’s ability to control its future. So our process may require visiting the company, spending time with customers, suppliers, and competitors, tracking the history of the management, or spending time with former associates to understand the way the management pursues the business.

After researching a business, we should be able to give a simple definition of the business model and its drivers. The competitive analysis and the cash flow model come together in a basic definition of the business model and its attractiveness.

We believe the forward-looking approach is important because history may be a good place to start, but our cash flow valuations are based on the future. Many value managers focus more on the past and the asset values, while we focus on the earning power of those assets as we look out into the future.

Q:  Could you give us an example of ideas that turned into holdings?

A: In many cases the quantitative type of value managers use basic quantitative screens to get ideas, while the few qualitative value managers tend to wander around, talk to other value managers, or get ideas from the newspapers. We’ve taken a slightly different approach as we have created a database of our stock universe after going through the companies in the S&P 500, Russell 1000, and Russell 2000 to identify the companies that qualify as good businesses.

We have classified the businesses based on their relative attractiveness, which has nothing to do with the valuation. That’s our starting point. At the same time we consider owning businesses with above-average rankings and attempt to understand the value of those companies. At the same time, we monitor the price activity and the valuation to recognize when opportunities arise.

For example, we bought Oracle during the first quarter of 2006 after following the stock and many technology companies for several years. In 2000 we wrote a white paper about evolving and changing business models in the technology space, and we concluded that although there were interesting business models, their valuations were not attractive. At the time, we believed there would be future opportunities to take advantage of the understanding that we were building. All of that work came to fruition in the beginning of 2006, after the shares of Oracle had been under pressure for several years.

We had continued to follow the business through those six years and we had recognized the transition in the business model. Oracle had gone from a database management software company that relied on upfront license fees to a business of integrated software solutions that includes not only databases, but also middleware and even front-end applications. Now more than 40% of the revenue comes from recurring annual license and maintenance fees, while five years ago the major source of revenue was the upfront license fee.
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